Beiträge von Iain Hunt

Hi Björn,

if you look at page 44 of Jacques Goldberg, you will see a 20''' model of a Hirschhorn International Lampe, it does show a raiser but it will have been sold without.
This lamp was sold in the UK with a few different names, one notable version was the rebrand sold by Veritas as the 'Trilux', I am sure I have a catalogue picture and it has the same logo as the lamp here.

all the best, Iain.

wavy lines on burner are typical Hirschhorn also, and check out the design of the chimney gallery, almost same as Carmen.

Hi,

I have similar lamps in 20''' and 30''', also other Hirschhorn lamps such as the Aida and Carmen lamps with the same logo on the thumb-wheel.

p.s. Sorry for speaking English but I find it difficult enough trying to post here never mind write in German too.

mein Deutsch ist sehr schlecht!

All the best, Iain.

Hi,

your lamp is a Hirschhorn lamp rebranded for other markets i.e. UK.

I believe it may be the 'International Lampe'.

All the best, Iain.

Hallo , the gallery's chimney teeth remind me of Hurwitz burners.
Cheers, Iain.

Spajd, I think the expensive stuff is more viscous and slow to travel up wicks other than fibre glass rope-wick...
I also have heard the expensive stuff is synthetic and possibly made with plant oils or is at least a lot different than Kerosene.

Sorry Viking, England is 'here'!

Hi Spajd,
if the lamp oil is the type sold for regular* wickl lamps (Duplex,Queen Anne, Matador, side-draught, central-draught etc..) it should be fine, if it is the very expensive stuff sold in small bottles it is usually meant for those 'oil candle' type art-glass lamps with a fibreglass wick, this oil is usually rubbish in larger lamps with chimneys and burners designed to induce draught to increase flame brightness, it often will not travel up the wick fast enough to prevent the wick burning away.
It sounds like if it works in a Kosmos then you may have the 'good' stuff rather than the expensive stuff, usually the fuel to avoid has 'smokeless and odourless' on the label.

I tend to use regular Kerosene but they call it Paraffin here which is confusing for the rest of the world.

Good luck!, all the best, Iain.

Hi Kosmo, sorry for not writing in German!
This burner appears to be one of those from a Wunder Lampe clone made originally by E&G and also many other manufacturers including Otto Mueller.
I have seen others with Arabic writing stating they were made in Tehran.
These clone lamps turn up on eBay a lot and I believe many of the ones that do are not very old, the burner is made out of less parts than an E&G version for example and they are often found with splits in the brass.
You will probably find it easier to buy a complete lamp very cheaply online than trying to find just the base.
Good luck with it, all the best, Iain.

Hi Hans, thanks for the birthday wish!
Sorry I never realised I never answered this post, I don't get emails to say I need to like I do on be-back-later.
The writing says 'Jones & Willis' 'The Cathedral Lamp', Jones and Willis were a ecclesiastical outfitter in the Victorian era.
It is possible the lamp was a version of a Blitz, I think 'Blitz' was one of those trademarks that many manufacturers used like 'Wunder/Wonder', they all had their version etc...
The lamp is definitely a product that originated with E&G, it would no doubt have been made by E&G and then exported to England. The HS lamp Conny shows was imported and rebranded in the UK and sold by Veritas as the 'Helios'. All the best, Iain.

Hi Hans, sorry for not speaking German but it is very hard to explain things clearly in a different language, please forgive me!

The lamp you have I believe is a 20''' Wunder, but definately a product of E&G, the wick adjuster is stamped exactly the same way as the 15''' Wunder and a 20''' lamp I have, the fuel cap is the E&G starburst, Hugo Schneider's logo usually has a similar but not identical starburst with a small 'HS' or sometimes a smaller star in the centre. The design of the gallery raising key is also found on most E&G burners that have gallery raising keys, including ESSO, Candesco, Eugeos, Matador etc...
I believe this model of Wunder is of older design to the ones found in the 1936 E&G catalogue as the flame spreader is different in that, the reason I believe yours is earlier also is because I have a 20''' Wunder with the same flamespreader as yours, mine was imported to the UK around 1895 to a company that sold church lighting fittings, the wall bracket is stamped with the 1895 registered design number and is original to the lamp. My lamp has gallery raiser and extinguisher lever.

Notice the chimney has a outwardly tapering top section but not as pronounced as your 'Blitz' type chimney.

Cheers, Iain.

Hi again Manuel,

Your burner is a Sherwood 'Sun' 20''' Windproof central draught burner.
Line/Ligne/''' was never an exact science measurement-wise between manufacturers. The only difference I find is the CD tube in the Sherwood is about 1mm wider than the 20'''(50CP) Lampe Veritas.

They made only 12, 16, 20 and 30''' 'Sun' burners.
MY Flame spreader is different from the picture but is an early pre-patent version, it has 'Provisionally Protected' written on the disk, it actually looks the same as the 12''' spreader in the catalogue but obviously larger.
The 30''' takes a very similar spreader to the Veritas with a large disk supporting a smaller disk on little legs above it.

Your lamp was used in many hanging type lamps and the bayonet collar allowed the lamp to be removed for filling leaving the chimney and gallery still in the lamp.

Enjoy the picture, all the best, Iain.

Hi, sorry for the delay!

Here are a few pictures of the spreader, these are on a 'roughly' 20''' lamp, the larger sized Sherwood 'Sun' lamps used a flame spreader similar to the Lampe Veritas.

I think this spreader would be easy enough to make, the measurements are 40mm x 1mm disc, the mesh part is 33mm tall. I mearured the circumfrence of the mesh and it comes to 85mm, it is simply a piece of flat pierced metal that has been curved and soldered, then the disc is soldered to the top, obviously silver solder or brazing would be used as soft solder would make it fall apart.

All the best, Iain.

Firstly may I apologise for speaking English, Mein Deutsch ist sehr schlecht!

The Veritas Lampe looks like the central draught tube is not perfectly central, if there is a gap between the outer draught tube and wick this will cause a smell of unburnt fuel as the vapour building up with the heat in the gap will start to smell and sometimes can make a strange sound as well as also making the flame strobe.
The Sherwood burner looks like a 20''' size, similar to the Veritas in wick size?, if so it takes a mesh flame spreader with a larger disk on the top.
The Sherwood burner is a Sherwood 'Sun'.
I will try and post a picture of the correct flame spreader if anyone is interested in seeing it.
All the best, Iain.

Hi, I tried to take a few shots of my rebranded Hirschhorn 'Aida' in similar poses to Peter's burner, just to further show this has to be 'Originally' a product of J Hirschhorn.

Obvious differences being the basket punching detail towards the lower two thirds and the chimney gallery is taller but shares the same 'teeth', also the gallery raising key is the same in design as well as the wick wheel being identical apart from what is writen on it, subtle cosmetic changes to the fine adjustment 'guage' or 'dial'...

It appears from the pics that the air baffle that fits over the top of the outer wick tube is missing, however, there appears to be (in Peter's picture of the outer wick tube) one of the small pressed-out knobs that seats the baffle in place on the outer wick tube to prevent it being forced too far down.

I also include a picture of a central draught 20''' Hirschhorn 'Carmen' or as it was marketed in England as the 'Litenite', apart from lacking the raising gallery and the fact it is a 20''' burner, you will see the design of the basket is the same and the gallery although updated in the chimney teeth is very close.

Thanks, Iain.

Hi, firstly, my sincere apologies for not speaking German!...I will learn soon!

Although the burner is stamped 'Radium' I do not believe the burner to be a product of K&T at all...unless they took over from Hirschhorn...

This burner appears to be a rebranded version of a Hirschhorn 'Aida'.

Please check out this link;
http://www.be-back-later.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=330

If you scroll down past the pictures of the HS Kronos 1911, you will see my rebranded 'Aida' imported to the USA and called a 'Liberty' with a larger collar-thread to accommodate the US fount threads.
You will also see the parts of the burner including the flame spreader which is very unusual, also the serrated air baffle that fits over the top of the outer wick tube...very Hirschhorn!,appears on their Carmen/Litenite lamp too.

There are slight differences in the body punchings but it has the same adjustment screw and the gallery raising key is the same design etc..the wavy lines on the burner base are very typically Hirschhorn too...

I will be interested to see if I am correct in my thinking!

All the best, and well done on finding a beautiful burner!

Cheers, Iain.

Hi Lucivier,
Sorry for my lack of German.
The chimney gallery appears to be from a later aladdin, maybe a 12 or Super Aladdin. The lamp would have had a flamespreader marked 'Nº11 Generator' or something similar.
The model 11 is designed for 'konekap' mantles and the gallery you have is for 'Lox-on' mantles, so in it's present state it may not work.
I hope you manage to find the correct parts and get it working, good luck, Iain.

Hallo, ich bin zu diesem Forum neu und spreche schlechtes Deutsches! Der Brenner ist ein Hugo Schneider und pobably a 'Hugo brenner'. Danke, Iain.